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| Posted: Sat Feb 12th, 2011 02:35 am |
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kev1975 Trade Member
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on my recent refresher we were told we could lift the back seat if it is the type that lifts easily but we didn't have to if not .
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| Posted: Sat Feb 12th, 2011 02:02 am |
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martin243 Trade Member
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Note with interest about the health and safety answer from the trainer, last course I was on (last Dec) we were advised to lift the rear seats to check s/b mounts, ok fine start to do it, so far cut fingers on broken glass twice, and been accused of breaking a seat ketch (total cost of 95.00 to replace). Think VOSA sometimes doesn't inform there trainers of the real world.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 12th, 2011 01:31 am |
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Aylesbury Jock Member 
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kit1958 wrote: It does seem a bit harsh to abandon a test due to a locked fuel cap, it always dissapoints me that there is no rfr "unable to assess ful cap seal" What do you think? I have always thought so. I know the MOT must not be swayed by business concerns, but consider the fact that not all testers are as consciencious as we are(I will ignore the sharp intake of breath) When you refuse to test because of no access to the fuel cap how often do you see the vehicle come back? I know I have lost some because they will go to someone who will test it. If we could test the vehicle and fail it for not having access, then retest when access is possible, we don't lose trade and road safety is satisfied since no pass certificate is issued to an unroadworthy vehicle. Would this be so bad.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 12th, 2011 12:46 am |
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ADS UK LTD Guest
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While there is no mandatory rule that testers must carry out the pre - checks, as far as I am to understand, I have made it a part of my routine to ensure as far as reasonably possible that the test can be carried out, therefore carrying out all pre - checks first. I see the problem with the fuel cap when it is of the locking type, a few times customers have not brought the key because they said that they thought it was not required. This is obviously the MOT Schemes fault and not the presenters of the vehicles. If the responsible person booking in the MOT can't be bothered to ask the customer a few simple questions, to ensure a smooth consistant throughput of vehicles, then problems will arise. Sometimes you can't always rely on a regulation to do the job on your behalf, sometimes effort must be put in to make the job easier  See my new thread "Turbo" Problem
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| Posted: Sat Feb 12th, 2011 12:16 am |
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KevG Super Moderator 
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kit1958 wrote: It does seem a bit harsh to abandon a test due to a locked fuel cap, it always dissapoints me that there is no rfr "unable to assess ful cap seal" What do you think? Rather than a refusal to test, hmm might be a good idea. What does everyone think? Kev
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| Posted: Sat Feb 12th, 2011 12:10 am |
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KevG Super Moderator
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Hi Stealth, Thanks for taking time to do this for us! If I understand correctly, The trainer said it MAY be OK to test a car with a non opening boot by climbing in the back if the seats can be folded flat? Or have I misread? "Q. What if the seats can be folded down flat to allow access." "A. If the tester can fully examine all relevant items, and he is fully satisfied he has not missed any area's then continue to test." I would not like to put my name on a certificate unless I could see all areas incuding the door shut areas that are only visible when boot/hatch are opened. Therefore I would suggest that 99 times out of 100 I would not be satisfied that I could properly test all areas. As an aside, sometimes when I need to make a decision about a particular component, I think what I would say to a hyperthetical Inquest Court. Helps me to remember what the MOT is actually for. Kev Last edited on Sat Feb 12th, 2011 12:12 am by KevG |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 12th, 2011 12:07 am |
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Stealth Super Moderator 
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kit1958 wrote: It does seem a bit harsh to abandon a test due to a locked fuel cap, it always dissapoints me that there is no rfr "unable to assess ful cap seal" What do you think? I think access to the fuel cap should have been assessed as part of your pre -test walk round check - no key to access the locked flap - refuse to test !!! I think this one has been flogged to death now kit - it's all there in the Manual  Last edited on Sat Feb 12th, 2011 12:07 am by Stealth |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 12th, 2011 12:03 am |
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kit1958 Trade Member 
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It does seem a bit harsh to abandon a test due to a locked fuel cap, it always dissapoints me that there is no rfr "unable to assess fuel cap seal" What do you think? Last edited on Sat Feb 12th, 2011 01:34 am by kit1958 |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11th, 2011 09:16 pm |
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Stealth Super Moderator
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I spent a few minutes with the local trainer today and posed some questions relating to the recent thread regards access to the boot during testing. Scenario - I am a tester attending a refresher course ....... Q. What do I do if the boot won't open A. Refuse to test. Q. What if I can access the boot via the rear seats. A. Health & Safety - if this involves climbing over the rear seats or into the boot area then don't do it - VOSA has a responsibility to ensure there are no Health & Safety implications for testers, and also to ensure that the potential for damage to a customers vehicle or their property is minimised. Q. What if the seats can be folded down flat to allow access. A. If the tester can fully examine all relevant items, and he is fully satisfied he has not missed any area's then continue to test. Q. What if there are structural area's that cannot be fully assessed during the above scenario, without opening the boot. A. Refuse to test - or if this becomes apparent during the test, then abandon the test.
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