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THE AA: RAISING STANDARDS, NOT JUST IN EMERGENCIES.. AUTOTECHNICIAN visits the organistation that is also balancing independent, with working alongside vehicle manufacturers.

RECALLS
The DVSA's Neil Barlow was present during our visit & explained that, because its online MOT check service experiences tens of millions of hits, its popularity could be utilised to make recall data more publically accessible. While he explained that there was no firm decision about whether, or not, independent garages will have to fail a car at MOT Test time, because of outstanding recall, he confirmed that the agency is working behind-the scenes to establish a new recalls code of practice that will be launched from November.

https://autotechnician.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Autotechnician-Nov-Dec-2019.pdf
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Road safety campaign urges drivers to #towsafe4freddie
Mot Testing Service RfR 6.1.6 (i) (i)


and what you get on the VT30 is..

and what you get on the VT30 is NOT..Excessively corroded within 30cm of towbar mounting BUT Towbar is fractured :shock:

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https://www.motester.co.uk/history-of-the-mot-test/
[Note: Tester Training rules have changes since this article was posted].
In turn the AE has the power to nominate specially trained individuals to carry out MOT Testing on customers’ cars. So the official name for an MOT Tester is Nominated Tester (NT) because he or she has been nominated by the AE. It should be noted that this is why it is impossible for aspiring young MOT Testers to go to college and learn the profession – they have first to be trained at a Testing Garage and then ‘nominated’ by the AE.

An aspiring Tester also has to have either a certain minimum formal qualification or sit a special examination set by DVSA before then going on a two-day course set up by DVSA to, as they say “calibrate his or her skills”.

Despite being ultimately fully responsible for all MOT Testing, DVSA have never published either a complete training programme or an approved syllabus to train MOT Testers).

Now that Tester Training rules have changed things aint improved & cars have changed significantly since the MOT test was first introduced. Using connected equipment lays the foundations for DVSA to prepare for any future changes to vehicle testing.....:shock:

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right & can a prospective tester nominate him/herself cause if true the title NT dont apply,dot the i's and cross the t's,they may never of worked at a test station.don't require technical expertise to pass or hands on experience working at a station let alone being nominated by one, its as Ronnie said on the What connected MOT equipment means for you blog 'It's not the core of the TEST its the caliber of testers allowed once upon a time being a tester used to mean something'.

anthony marshall posted 05 September
How long before you do away with the N/T altogether?
Julia (DVSA) posted 09 September
Hi Anthony As all testers and mechanics know, cars have changed significantly since the MOT test was first introduced. Using connected equipment lays the foundations for DVSA to prepare for any future changes to vehicle testing.

Foundations!!
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yeah,the ability to spell.for rqmnts for testers ability has increased read rqmnts for testers to spend money on exams that don't require technical expertise to pass and that no one checks anyway has increased:shock:

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increased not deceased? Has something died :shock:

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Stealth failing an engine management light staying on is not fair on the basis it passes the smoke or emission test what do you think?

I couldn't possibly comment. ;);););)


ok its the thought that counts..in addition to the New MOT Manual..we got https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/what-connected-mot-equipment-means-for-you/
Ronnie posted on 12 September 2019 It's not the core of the TEST its the caliber of testers allowed once upon a time being a tester used to mean something

Julia (DVSA) posted on 17 September 2019
Hi MOT testers have to meet eligibility rules, take a tester qualification course and carry out a demonstration test. They also have to carry out training and assessment every year. With this in mind, the skills required to become an MOT tester have increased not deceased.

& now they got testers nominating themselves?
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Stealth failing an engine management light staying on is not fair on the basis it passes the smoke or emission test what do you think?

I couldn't possibly comment. ;);););)

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https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/mot-testing-service-status/
No longer tells us if there is an MOT testing service outage?:shock:

All that's on there is MOT reminders service & MOT history of a vehicle?. How do we Get the contingency code from the MOT testing service when it aint on the https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/mot-testing-service-status/?

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MOT News for Motorists on this Industry Portal 30th July 2019
https://www.motester.co.uk/is-headlamp-glare-becoming-a-road-safety-hazard/


reminded me of a post on another MOT Forum earlier this month..
Quote "It seems that it became necessary to test the electric headlamp level switch.
I seem to have missed this update and only found out today when I had a dvsa visit.
Where would I have seen it ? I have looked through special notices, is there a web link to changes ?
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'if a headlamp adjuster switch is removed for retest it is a pass & advise' https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/what-were-doing-to-improve-the-quality-of-mot-testing/comment-page-1/#comments... (Its the 16 comment from the bottom)

Is there anything that you’re finding particularly unclear about the guidance?.point is on a standard bulb set up sorting the headlamp adjuster/leveler switch can potentially be a very costly exercise so why aint DVSA included said comment/guidance into a SN
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Your not wrong & 'The Tester risk rating is a "Blunt Instrument" It is not a predictor of non compliance it is just an excuse for poor service..and on that note if we did presenter's the same..fail em but not inform what needs to be done what be the state of play:shock:

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yeah,had it come up for the first time yesterday.stop me if im wrong but didn't even comp 1 only supply the failures relevant by age?over a year now and counting....

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Failure is an option: what changes in the MOT test have meant for drivers
It’s one dreaded outcome of the MOT test, which got tougher a year ago this week. We ask those in the know all about it
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/failure-option-what-changes-mot-test-have-meant-drivers

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Stealth what are all those Squigly things that appear in my posts.. ‘ ’ • “  – ➢ .. and so on?

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Stealth.. The draft version seems to be changing every day just now. We will only know for sure on D day....

Super Moderator just after clarification.. Warning: A non-numeric value encountered in /home/motester/public_html/forums/lib.php on line 80

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4.9 ‘Tell-tales’ mandatory for lighting equipment
or
Here’s a thought. You’ve bought a service contract with, say, British Gas.
or
Now look at the MOT. DVSA haven’t delivered on their service etc etc etc

Stealth now your back can you please explain the above, sorry for the bother.

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Warning: A non-numeric value encountered in /home/motester/public_html/forums/lib.php on line 80

...anyone else getting the above when visiting this site or is it just me. cant be this...
https://www.mottesting.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/class3457/index.html
11 Categories, & if you separate

Identification of the vehicle
Brakes
Steering
Visibility
Lamps, reflectors and electrical equipment
Axles, wheels, tyres and suspension
Body, structure and attachments
Other equipment
Nuisance
Supplementary tests for buses and coaches
Seat belt installation checks


0 Identification of the vehicle
0.1 Registration plates
0.2 Vehicle identification number (VIN)

1 Brakes
1.1 Condition and operation
1.2 Service brake performance and efficiency
1.3 Secondary brake performance and efficiency
1.4 Parking brake performance and efficiency
1.5 Additional braking device (retarder) performance
1.6 Anti-lock braking system (ABS)
1.7 Electronic braking system (EBS)
1.8 Brake fluid

2 Steering
2.1 Mechanical condition
2.2 Steering wheel and column or handlebar, forks and yokes
2.3 Steering play
2.6 Electronic power steering (EPS)

3 Visibility
3.1 Field of vision
3.2 Condition of glass
3.3 View to rear
3.4 Windscreen wipers
3.5 Windscreen washers

4 Lamps, reflectors and electrical equipment
4.1 Headlamps
4.2 Front and rear position lamps, daytime running lamps and end-outline marker lamps
4.3 Stop lamps
4.4 Direction indicators and hazard warning lamps
4.5 Front and rear fog lamps
4.6 Reversing lamps
4.7 Rear registration plate lamps
4.8 Rear reflectors
4.9 ‘Tell-tales’ mandatory for lighting equipment
4.10 Trailer electrical socket
4.11 Electrical wiring
4.12 Battery(ies)

5 Axles, wheels, tyres and suspension
5.1 Axles
5.2 Wheels and tyres
5.3 Suspension

6 Body, structure and attachments
6.1 Structure and attachments
6.2 Body and interior

7 Other equipment
7.1 Seat belts and supplementary restraint systems (SRS)
7.3 Anti-theft device
7.7 Audible warning (horn)
7.8 Speedometer
7.10 Speed limiter (if required)
7.12 Electronic stability control (ESC)

8 Nuisance
8.1 Noise
8.2 Exhaust emissions
8.4 Other environmental items

9 Supplementary tests for buses and coaches
9.1 Doors
9.6 Passenger grab handles
9.7 Steps and stairs
10 Seat belt installation checks
10.1 Seat belt installation guidance notes

a significant step in the right direction would be to consolidate the above with
https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/
15 Categories & if you separate…it gets numerically worse


Body, chassis, structure
Brakes
Buses and coaches supplementary tests
Identification of the vehicle
Lamps, reflectors and electrical equipment
Noise, emissions and leaks
Non-component advisories
Road wheels
Seat belt installation check
Seat belts and supplementary restraint systems
Speedometer and speed limiter
Steering
Suspension
Tyres
Visibility

MOTman, martins, KevG, bimmer, anyone why does Warning: A non-numeric value encountered in /home/motester/public_html/forums/lib.php on line 80 keep appearing?

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FORD GALAXY 04 plate.. Offside Front Macpherson strut pin or bush likely to become detached wheel bearing not checked (5.3.4 (a) (ii).. was best could do.
Advised the Nearside Front Macpherson strut, wheel clear of the ground, has vertical and lateral and longitudinal play at top mount within allowed limits.. my point is o/s/f was detached bonding had given way & no RfR (except what I have aforementioned stated), had the same on bmw few weeks back, on that one it was on both sides.

Offside Front suspension upper arm has inadequate clearance with bump stop (on a VW) advisory.. were is the RfR for that

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[Julia (DVSA) posted 17 April 2019
Hi Derek
Allowing testers to record plate values would not be deemed a reliable source for future tests.
We’re exploring options for obtaining specific vehicle data from the various manufacturers..

reliable source?.we can input brake weights so why not emissions value? kinda understand the politics of all this but we are REALLY REALLY FED UP WITH BREATHING THE RESULTANT sh1tE!

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https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/spring-mot-horror-stories/
Fantastic failure, Rock bottom result, Bald ambition, What a cracker! and A big thank you
&
https://autotechnician.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Autotechnician-April-2019.pdf
page 37..
Since May, things have not been standing still. A number of
technicians admitted that, while it has taken some time to
adapt to the new system, they felt well-supported by the DVSA.
Comments from disgruntled professionals on the Agency's
own 'Matters of Testing' blog, however, reveal that some testers are not so happy.
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if you wanna real chuckle try passing an 09 merc with a smoke limit of 3.20,dunno about you but I dunno ANY approved meters thatll accept THAT as a limit!oh well,back to the coalface,hi ho hi ho its back to work I go,feels like we shud be working for disneys:shock:

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comical & daft

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yeah,it was comical when I read that,lets stick it next to assessing the effect of deteriorated no plates on anpr cameras with inspection eqpmnt consisting of eyeballs shall we?what was wrong with 10 mm zone a,40mm in the rest of the swept area?simple,unequivocal,easy.nope,too easy so lets make it more complex.the depts being run by a bunch of low grade morons:shock:have lost count of the passes ive had to issue with screens cracked to f***:shock:

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when in direct sunlight or 'at' night

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A "publication" is exactly what it says, an article produced for public consumption so clearly no breach of Date Protection..

Here’s a thought. You’ve bought a service contract with, say, British Gas. The contract is for an emergency service if your heating system breaks down, and free annual servicing as part of the deal. Then you’re told that whilst payments won’t change, you must now pay for that annual service, and if your heating breaks down it will be a week before its fixed because their engineers are working on commercial contracts. At the same time you hear that British Gas make bumper profits. What would you do? You’d be on Google straight away to find an alternative service provider.

Now look at the MOT. DVSA haven’t delivered on their service to Testing Stations for years. Risk assessment visits are delayed by years because Vehicle Examiners allocated to the MOT Scheme have been diverted to HGV Testing, or used to catch up with planned roadside vehicle checks. There’s delays on the help line and training, historically provided by DVSA from the pad fee, must now be purchased from commercial training providers.

When the MOT was first computerised the Government unambiguously pledged that it wouldn’t cost Testing Stations a penny. Yet now we pay for the computer, the printer, print cartridges, paper and the internet connection. Yet the MOT fee hasn’t increased to account for those and other extra costs – frozen since 2010. It’s not as if DVSA can’t afford more staff, they’re making bumper profits from our slot fees.

Look at these numbers...DVSA/VOSA’s MOT profiteering MOT Profit DVSA net/ loss profit/ loss without MOT £M£M£M
2013/14 (VOSA) 5.72 13.45 7.73
2014/15 (VOSA) 12.05 1.35(loss )13.8 loss
2015/16 (DVSA) 12.28 11.98 0.3 loss 2016/17 (DVSA) 27.79 30.66 2.872017/18 (DVSA) 26.23 13.82 12.41 loss Total 84.0768.5615.91 loss.

These figures illustrate that without the MOT Scheme’s profit, over the last five years, DVSA/VOSA was not financially viable, making a £15.91M loss. The £84.07M MOT profit over the last five years is effectively an unlegislated tax on Testing Stations. Theoretically DVSA aren’t allowed to cross subsidise their different activities – but they do! Set against this, DVSA’s Chief, Gareth Llewellyn remains totally silent on the MOT, except to pledge to a Parliamentary Committee that at some unspecified future date vehicles will fail the MOT if there is an outstanding safety recall which hasn’t been fixed. He’s obviously unconcerned about the operation of the Scheme, or the interests of 23,000 Testing Stations, 50,000 Testers and others employed in MOT Testing. He’s an invisible man behind the scenes overseeing what is frankly an unacceptably poor performance regarding DVSA’s provision of a service to Testing Stations. But we can’t ‘Google’ to find a different supplier, DVSA have a monopoly and do what they like. Testing Stations providing DVSA’s MOT funding have no recourse whatsoever when their money is spent to support DVSA’s loss making activities. It is, frankly, scandalous

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thatll be because we are now paying for the ink,paper,computers,training,broadband etc etc.cutting costs is a piece of piss if all you are gonna do is hand off the costs to some other poor bastard.who are we supposed to hand em off to?the public?with no fee rise in a decade?with Halfords doing an mot for a bulb?answers on the back of a postage stamp in capital lettere c/o dvsa@wef***edupandthenshaftedyousuckers.com:shock:

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The per-test processing cost of running the MOT testing service – about 42 million tests are carried out annually – is now less than £0.30, compared with £1.05 before the launch of the online service.

https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252453817/Open-minded-DVSA-cuts-cost-of-MOT-testing

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Health & Safety
RAG's and COPD, how to sort diesel emissions holding a rag over the exhaust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzs_NviVGsM
stand to the side of the motor & do it at arms length.

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youre in deep do do:shock: think i know what you mean aint an extinct bird yet. We got Kainos to attend (less they already done so) a trade mission to the US with UK’s Department for International Trade to showcase leadership in artificial intelligence (read full article.. https://www.kainos.com/kainos-attend-trade-mission-us-uks-department-international-trade-showcase-leadership-artificial-intelligence/), following their Machine Learning Project of the Year Award, for work done with the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA) and dont forget MOT testing data released.. A total of 428,160 petrol (6.14%) and 202,564 diesel (3.63%) cars failed the new emissions test.
The new test also saw a 445% increase in the number of diesel vans failing emission tests, increasing from 3,029 in 2017 to 16,496 in 2018.
whilst we as testers are left with RAG's and COPD

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was replying to stealth,re brake my point was that given the linings binding are also service brake then fail that for binding cos if youre hoping loopholes like this get closed anytime soon youre in deep do do:shock:

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being boring what pm never got one. hoping -FRYING TONITE went without hitch..
service brake was not binding.. underside saw caliper handbrake lever stuck in the on position whilst the lever was worked from top side & on completing the underside inspection demonstrated to owner presenter the said problem by moving the caliper lever to the off position prior to this whilst checking the bearing on the associated wheel it was freewheeling no bind.
On the rbt service effort was fine, recorded it, then AFTER applied park brake.. there was effort but then it didnt release fully ie it was binding.
Being specific the service brake was not at fault it was the park side of it that had the issue. hear what you say fail it on service brake binding ok..but it aint being specific

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message received guy,no bother:Dits starting to get boring anyway,repetition always does,ref also your pm

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Stealth the above is a cut & paste from the said 'trade publication' does this breach data protection?


Section B of the Testing Guide gents..

a. Do not give another person information that they would not otherwise have access to, this includes test result information.

Plain and clear enough in my opinion. Publishing registrations on public forums clearly breaches the above.

A "publication" is exactly what it says, an article produced for public consumption so clearly no breach of Date Protection.

Copyright could be a whole new issue Paul, but we are not going to go there.

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Testing Times we report about the failure rate since the new Manual took effect last May. At the same time we asked DVSA about how many vehicles failed with ‘Dangerous’ defects – and found that when extrapolated to a full year, that would be more than two and a half million vehicles. What an astonishing vindication of the need for the MOT Test. Yet that is only one of a number of reasons that the MOT should never be reduced from the current annual inspection

Stealth the above is a cut & paste from the said 'trade publication' does this breach data protection?

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yup and ive already written some of it up as my cpd:Das in how not to do it:D:Ddidnt see a lot else about it on the link they gave us:shock:

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Data Protection gents.

As testers you could be liable for publishing details of MOT test results to the general public.

As a forum attached to a trade publication, the owners could also be called to account.


Please refrain from posting vehicle registration in future.

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assuming its also a service brake(and given the caliper arms seized)I assume foot+handbrakes are the same linings therefore the service brake is binding,id just fail it on that,advise the caliper arm so they know the probable cause and sleep easy at night,why beat yourself up over it?worse things to worry about,bigger fish to fry,trouble is-FRYING TONITE!

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******* RBT parking brake Excessively binding on a dual line system there is no rfr for it?

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Have you tested a vehicle with rust holes big enough to fit your fist through?
is there any particular day that theyre interested in?
try *******,the hole under the seats/sills is about a foot and a half long,no I cant fit my hand thru it cos the f***ing covers that we aint supposed to advise any more are in the bloody way!

keep quoting you on this cause its a very good point!.
feeling a little put upon:shock: yesterday my bloody card packed up & am lost for words except an advise.. why dont dvsa send em out in a plastic cover? it may preserve them a bit longer?

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so in 2017 it was hunky dory and this year its failed spectacularly twice?quality,thatll be another internet bargain/barn find with a moody ticket last year then wont it?mine was followed by yc61 dvl.....feeling a little put upon:shock:

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Have you tested a vehicle with rust holes big enough to fit your fist through?
is there any particular day that theyre interested in?
try *******,the hole under the seats/sills is about a foot and a half long,no I cant fit my hand thru it cos the f***ing covers that we aint supposed to advise any more are in the bloody way!


try ******* informed on collection that its got a running issue that results in plumes of smoke, behaved itself during test, went through on 3 accelerations, & didnt go very far doing the decel

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Have you tested a vehicle with rust holes big enough to fit your fist through?
is there any particular day that theyre interested in?
try *******,the hole under the seats/sills is about a foot and a half long,no I cant fit my hand thru it cos the f***ing covers that we aint supposed to advise any more are in the bloody way!

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Stealth alpha numerically is this making sense, we will only know for sure on D day..seems a long time ago?

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Have you tested a vehicle with rust holes big enough to fit your fist through?
is there any particular day that theyre interested in?

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Have you tested a vehicle with rust holes big enough to fit your fist through?
Have you seen wheels one big jolt away from falling off?
We'll include the worst ones in our next horror stories blog post on Matters of Testing

it aint funny, following smart cards we get horror stories aint we entitled to something positive before we have a break ?.

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adding the extra line of text indicating the location of the item being searched is very useful

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'Making the manual clearer' is answering peoples querys/concerns pre 10 September 2018 but as previous blogs of late its now stalled :shock:

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that would be my guess as well,how difficult is it to press a button and enter a number?the mere fact that they consider this more of a priority than answering peoples querys/concerns pretty much says it all for me.its known as displacement activity.what happens is the human brain when faced with distasteful problems or concerns will focus on summat less unpleasant and generally unrelated to the immediate problem in preference to actually facing said problems.this would of course imply dvsa acting like a living entity which given the blogs content gives us an immediate clue as to the location of the anus:shock:

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Another thing we're doing is looking into ways we can securely reduce the number of times you need to enter your PIN every day, as we know this can be very time-consuming..

I have not seen one complaint from testers about passwords but you are prioritising this..

could it be that that smart cards are allergic to metal check the back of the card, mine is 2108801500030... could it be a cost cutting exercise?

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yesterday had an mot with rear reflectors that were white..
rfr Reflecting white to rear 4.8.2(a)(ii)Major

followed the hyperlink to manual & 4.8.2 Compliance with requirements & no mention of colour only rfr Reflector:

i>colour or position not in accordance with the requirements
Minor

& under it

ii>missing or reflecting white to the rear Major

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https://www.mottesting.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/class3457/index.html
11 Categories, & if you separate

Identification of the vehicle
Brakes
Steering
Visibility
Lamps, reflectors and electrical equipment
Axles, wheels, tyres and suspension
Body, structure and attachments
Other equipment
Nuisance
Supplementary tests for buses and coaches
Seat belt installation checks


0 Identification of the vehicle
0.1 Registration plates
0.2 Vehicle identification number (VIN)

1 Brakes
1.1 Condition and operation
1.2 Service brake performance and efficiency
1.3 Secondary brake performance and efficiency
1.4 Parking brake performance and efficiency
1.5 Additional braking device (retarder) performance
1.6 Anti-lock braking system (ABS)
1.7 Electronic braking system (EBS)
1.8 Brake fluid

2 Steering
2.1 Mechanical condition
2.2 Steering wheel and column or handlebar, forks and yokes
2.3 Steering play
2.6 Electronic power steering (EPS)

3 Visibility
3.1 Field of vision
3.2 Condition of glass
3.3 View to rear
3.4 Windscreen wipers
3.5 Windscreen washers

4 Lamps, reflectors and electrical equipment
4.1 Headlamps
4.2 Front and rear position lamps, daytime running lamps and end-outline marker lamps
4.3 Stop lamps
4.4 Direction indicators and hazard warning lamps
4.5 Front and rear fog lamps
4.6 Reversing lamps
4.7 Rear registration plate lamps
4.8 Rear reflectors
4.9 ‘Tell-tales’ mandatory for lighting equipment
4.10 Trailer electrical socket
4.11 Electrical wiring
4.12 Battery(ies)

5 Axles, wheels, tyres and suspension
5.1 Axles
5.2 Wheels and tyres
5.3 Suspension

6 Body, structure and attachments
6.1 Structure and attachments
6.2 Body and interior

7 Other equipment
7.1 Seat belts and supplementary restraint systems (SRS)
7.3 Anti-theft device
7.7 Audible warning (horn)
7.8 Speedometer
7.10 Speed limiter (if required)
7.12 Electronic stability control (ESC)

8 Nuisance
8.1 Noise
8.2 Exhaust emissions
8.4 Other environmental items

9 Supplementary tests for buses and coaches
9.1 Doors
9.6 Passenger grab handles
9.7 Steps and stairs
10 Seat belt installation checks
10.1 Seat belt installation guidance notes

a significant step in the right direction would be to consolidate the above with
https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/
15 Categories & if you separate…it gets numerically worse


Body, chassis, structure
Brakes
Buses and coaches supplementary tests
Identification of the vehicle
Lamps, reflectors and electrical equipment
Noise, emissions and leaks
Non-component advisories
Road wheels
Seat belt installation check
Seat belts and supplementary restraint systems
Speedometer and speed limiter
Steering
Suspension
Tyres
Visibility

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if you use the search function you wont even see that screen.. agreed get
https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/class3457/index.html

a significant step in the right direction would be to consolidate the above with
https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/

& hopefully you wont of retired before they sort it

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todays contingency code E5276E96

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locking devices is another,i use the search function rather than scoll thru(lets say)brakes,5 screens to get what you need,type lag/bind in and youre there instantly cos they are about the only ones you use right?type track in and all the track rod end fails come up,no securing device fail?oh well p+a.if you go thru the steering screen theres one for locking devices for(I think)steering linkage components and securing devices is on there tho seems a bit of a stretch and I only found it by accident cos if you use the search function you wont even see that screen.still aint found any lock devices for suspension ball joints tho,closest ive seen is likely to become detached but that's utterly inappropriate in most cases tho its also possible that theres yet another item/screen I aint noticed yet:shock:

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and now its gone,yesterday I had both worn to indicator and warning light,gone to use it today and warning light looks gone.am I going senile? :shock::shock::shock::shock:

still the same in training rob, loged out & in to make sure

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Brake linings and pads
you gotta go into 'Brake lining(s)' to get.. worn down to wear indicator

then come out & go into 'pads' to get.. brake lining or pad wear indicator illuminated

significant step in the right direction:?

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I see what you mean,log out,log back in again and up they come,to go back to your horn,not working properly is a minor,how do they define not working properly?harsh?grating?not loud enuff?2 tone?come on,throw us a bone for f***s sake:shock:

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why?:shock: forgot to start a new test in training was reason couldnt see the changes.

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you sound surprised that we are being asked to hit the ground running without actually being able to test/try/train these new items beforehand.why?:shock:

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Reminder: changes to the MOT inspection manual today ..
just been into Training
Practice on any class of vehicle without using slots or recording the outcome .. aint no changes there hey ho fly-by-wire

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some of em are a LOT ambiguous,pad worn to indicator?surely thatll have the light on anyway even assuming you can see it in the first place,have advised about half a dozen motors so far that the wear indicator aint even attached to the pad but hey that's fine,horn not in accordance with the reqmnts?what reqmnts would that be then?the ones that say not loud enuff to be heard is a minor?the ones that say sirens ok?headlights not in accordance with rqmnts?dont get me wrong its a start but that's all it is and at this pace I will have retired before they sort it all out,6 mnths so far and counting to reword the stuff that we warned about before it was even introduced?unacceptable.

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Got to say the latest updates are a significant step in the right direction, it's not perfect but it will never please everyone. Neither is it meant to. ;)

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Stealth the number of post I have done has gone up by one yet my last one has doubled seem to be repeating myself :cool:

Fixed that for you Paul. Are you posting from your phone ?

I get double posts sometimes when using mine.

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Stealth having got past D day Prescribed area excessively corroded, significantly reduced structural strength
5.3.6 (a) (i) or Prescribed area corroded, not considered excessive

I aint a judge... theres a hole & never used my thumb or forefinger but choice as above is this fair? Would not Prescribed area corroded, not considered excessive & NOT REDUCING STRUCTURAL STRENGTH be appropriate?


You have to take the info in the Appendix into consideration too Paul. ANY corrosion within a prescribed area which results in a hole is considered to have significantly weakened the structure.

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Stealth the number of post I have done has gone up by one yet my last one has doubled seem to be repeating myself :cool:

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From the current blog.. For example, previously, when testing the horn on a vehicle, you would need to choose the reason why it failed. We’ve now consolidated the reasons to make it clearer. So you’ll only need to choose the option that the ‘horn no longer meets requirements’.

Audible warning:
7.7.c.i sound not in accordance with requirements
Minor

just being pedantic

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Stealth having got past D day Prescribed area excessively corroded, significantly reduced structural strength
5.3.6 (a) (i) or Prescribed area corroded, not considered excessive

I aint a judge... theres a hole & never used my thumb or forefinger but choice as above is this fair? Would not Prescribed area corroded, not considered excessive & NOT REDUCING STRUCTURAL STRENGTH be appropriate?

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2004 fiesta









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think they mentioned this very fault on the mot blog a few months back and I suggested putting it on vsi or similar if its a widespread problem,never did get a reply

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Feel around if you can get your finger in there its right under the trailing arm mount bracket, there isn't the clearance. If Vehicle Technical Data (VSI) gave a lead on fiesta trailing arms ref Fractured on Fifth generation (2003–2008) (UK Mk6) it may give a heads up in helping towards saving lives... you'll see it every time DB9? Thumb & forefinger dont do it on this one Rob

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I tend to feel around transit leaf anchor eye bushes for the same reason but ive seen a lot more of them broke than I have fiesta axles going pop,seen a fair few that are plenty crispy tho

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When you jack up the rear of the vehicle allowing the rear axle to hang freely lower the ramp so that it is at a comfortable working weight for you while underneath the vehicle, then using your hands and fingers feel round the axle pressing in various locations. Use a mirror to see the top sectional area of the axle, you'll see it every time. Also when you are inspecting the rear wheel and tyre you can look between the wheel arch in front of the rear wheel and you will see the axle casing there.Remember also you can use a small pinch bar to check for excessive free play in the axle bush/mounting.

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Thank you for that bimmer.
DB9 had one of these today 2004 fiesta
there are no tell tales...rest of the beam is good, were its broke is right under the trailing arm mount bracket & still dont know how i would of detected it when tested. Going to replace the beam, & take some photos...DB9

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I'ts just DB9 trying to be funny and failing miserably as usual, and yes i do have a sense of humour dave when i read something funny.

Have some of these i know how much you like them.



:) :( ;) :? :D now that's funny LOL.

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ouch that hurt! DB9 its not my customer or house https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/family-make-incredible-escape-car-7284233

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Agreed, ,i also wish theyd tell us;
Brake fluid (1.8)
Additional braking device performance (1.5)
Daytime running lamps (4.2)
Front fog lamps (4.5)
Reversing lamps (4.6)
Bumpers (6.1.4)
Prop shafts (6.1.7)
All rear drive shafts (6.1.7)
Cab security (6.2.2)
Cab steps (6.2.8)
Floors (6.2.4)
Passenger hand grips (quads and heavy trikes only) (6.2.12)
Noise suppression material (8.1.1)
Undertray security (6.2.1)
Emission control equipment (8.2)
• Oxygen sensor (8.2.1.1)
• NOx sensor
• Exhaust gas recirculation valve (8.2.1.1)
• Other emission control equipment
Engine Malfunction indicator lamp (8.2.1.2)
DPF tampering (8.2.2)
Fluid leaks – engine, transmission etc (8.4.1)
cause one saying 'structurally' weakened in reference to prescribed area is a tad ott

Stealth how am i supposed to explain to presenter the significantly reduced structural strength of their motor?


Paul, I'll take it that customer was not happy with your test result, driving it through your front window :D

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think they've got more comments than they can handle:shock:ive stopped wasting my time on it.wheres the point in snagging it for em only to be ignored/deleted:(

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Went to leave a comment on current Blog Matters of Testing & cannot regarding...Finally, if you do see any stories with incorrect information on the changes, please let us know in the comments below.

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/miscellaneous/2018-05/uk-mot-official-testers-guide/
Improved or changed information
Information has been updated about the interaction between position lamps and other lamps.

Was going to link to...Bert posted onon 14 June 2018
what happened to light interference? just had a clio and the rear lights are like a disco (common fault) but now can't fail this.

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a lotta those words look sorta familiar....but seriously how hard can it be for the ministry to get the relevant nos from the manufacturers and put it on the system?the type approval guys/system will know them if no else does.any halfway average combo of computer tech and secretary to make the calls and enter the info shud have(at the very least)done the most popular motors inside a week and I would be surprised if it took THAT long.if you don't want the grief of entering it on the system then make a diesel version of the emissions data book and put it in our next email/sn.it aint rocket science:shock:all I do at the moment is fail a motor on smoke only for it to get some sorta bulls**t test from someone else,the crooks think its f***ing Christmas.if its on the system they aint got any grey areas to hide behind

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Nearly 9,500 residents of London die prematurely every year as a result of long-term exposure to air pollution, a 2015 study by researchers at King’s College London showed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entertainment-arts-43820243/art-installation-creates-smelling-pods-of-major-cities-air#
Living Diesel. Im not a fan of this I don't want to be here much longer to be honest (and that's the vehicle presenter?):shock: :D
There's a city in my mind
Come along and take that ride
And it's alright, baby, it's all right
And it's very far away Mr Barlow
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But it's growing day by day and it's all right...a lotta the separate plates im seeing don't have emissions on em,just type approval/eu no or similar,the ministry HAVE to start supplying plated limits at log in for this to be enforceable

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Manual tells us to test to manufacturers limit where available yet on a pre 2008 vehicle there is no failure for being above manufacturers limits

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Agreed, ,i also wish theyd tell us;
Brake fluid (1.8)
Additional braking device performance (1.5)
Daytime running lamps (4.2)
Front fog lamps (4.5)
Reversing lamps (4.6)
Bumpers (6.1.4)
Prop shafts (6.1.7)
All rear drive shafts (6.1.7)
Cab security (6.2.2)
Cab steps (6.2.8)
Floors (6.2.4)
Passenger hand grips (quads and heavy trikes only) (6.2.12)
Noise suppression material (8.1.1)
Undertray security (6.2.1)
Emission control equipment (8.2)
• Oxygen sensor (8.2.1.1)
• NOx sensor
• Exhaust gas recirculation valve (8.2.1.1)
• Other emission control equipment
Engine Malfunction indicator lamp (8.2.1.2)
DPF tampering (8.2.2)
Fluid leaks – engine, transmission etc (8.4.1)
cause one saying 'structurally' weakened in reference to prescribed area is a tad ott

Stealth how am i supposed to explain to presenter the significantly reduced structural strength of their motor?

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and unless im hallucinating the corrosion box ive been ticking is now gone and structural is all that's left,i wish theyd tell us.....

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all the fails ive done so far on corrosion ive just ticked the box saying excess corrosion in proscribed area rather than the one saying structurally weakened,as for your screen problems look at the history on dv54fzz,the crack is the full width of the screen,god help us:shock:

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'RfR using prescribed area' & Corrosion assessment

Use finger and thumb pressure to assess the extent of the corrosion If necessary, carefully scrape or lightly tap the affected areas with the corrosion assessment tool Use of the corrosion assessment tool must be restricted to ascertaining that the failure criteria are met and not used for heavy scraping or poking of the affected areas.

DONE THIS...failure criteria are met & GET THIS RfR 'prescribed area excessively corroded 'significantly reducing structural strength'!!

How am i supposed to explain to presenter the significantly reduced structural strength of their motor?

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visibility Condition of glass Windscreen doesnt have any 10 or 40 mm limits?
question please, what is the procedure if you need to issue a fail as laid out in the manual but the “ rfr “ or wording on the computer is not correct?..

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as ive mentioned before you have to be pretty unlucky to get done for stuff like this,short of an accident/injury its real unlikely,as a for instance I assume you've had to stamp vdrs forms yes?given that a copper issued that,watched the guy drive off after with(lets say)bald tyres and holding a form that says get it fixed/stamped in the next week or so shud give you an idea of the width of real world interpretation just by the police let alone the courts.

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What happened to driving to and from a place of repair/test station - surely this still stands?



Nothing happened to it. It just isn't what you believed it was. Presenters have always been legally entitled to drive to and from a place of repair/test station in an UNTAXED vehicle because you need to have it MOT'd to get it taxed. It is not, and never has been legal to drive a vehicle with KNOWN faults to and from anywhere on a public road.

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This is a list of the new MOT Test items as at 18th May 2018
https://www.motester.co.uk/revised-mot-manual-guide-to-the-new-mot-changes-may-2018/

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With four days to go until the MOT changes come in on 20 May 2018 Neil Barlow on the latest Matters of Testing blog asked or requested... 'Finally, if you do see any stories with incorrect information on the changes, please let us know in the comments below'...

https://www.autodata-group.com/uk/news/industry/new-mot-changes-come-force/
Dangerous defects will immediately fail the MOT test and the vehicle cannot be driven until the fault is rectified.

... was about to paste above onto dvsa blog but didnt cause bloke named chronic wrote

'Can you drive your vehicle away from the VTS following a failure? Major and/or Dangerous. I presume 'Yes' if major/'No' if dangerous.

The DVSA do not seem to be very clear on this. Perhaps it's just me (probably is!). Was wondering if you can help me understand.

From the Matters Of Testing blog:

"Julia (DVSA) posted on on 26 April 2018. Following some of your comments, we’d just like clarify the position:

The defects that have been recognised as dangerous are all pre-defined. There will not be the option to mark other defects as such. If a vehicle does fail an MOT (be that for major and/or dangerous defects) then, as now, its current MOT will still be valid until expiry. However, as now, it will still not be legal to drive if it is ‘unroadworthy’."

I have replied, but can't get passed moderation. I mentioned that in a previous reply to a post, Julia (DVSA) said that a vehicle with a dangerous defect should not be driven, but a vehicle with a Major defect could still be driven away. This post appears to have been removed since.

It now reads:

"Julia (DVSA) posted on on 11 April 2018

The responsibility for driving a vehicle (or not) sits with the motorist. As now, if a tester has recorded a dangerous defect we would expect the customer to be provided with advice on the nature and severity of the defect. Also, the failure document is now much starker in warning the motorist to not use the vehicle with dangerous defects but we do recognise that some irresponsible motorists may still chose to ignore that advice."

Neil Barlow posted on on 24 April 2018

"As now, driving an unroadworthy vehicle on the road is not legal and - more importantly - not sensible."

So, my confusion/questions: What is 'unroadworthy'? Does any major and dangerous failure mean 'unroadworthy', or just dangerous failures? If so, why don't they just say that? They're using the term 'unroadworthy' instead. Is 'unroadworthy' subjective (surely not)?

Can a customer drive their vehicle away following a failure or not?

If not, the public need to be made aware of this. What is the advantage of bringing a vehicle in early? We, as a test station, test about 30 vehicles a day. 50% of these fail. We probably repair about 50% of these. We test for other garages, including main dealers. They do their own repairs (obviously). So they can no longer take the vehicles back to their workshop? What happened to driving to and from a place of repair/test station - surely this still stands? As a company we have sites that only carry out MOTs and a few minor repairs (wipers, bulbs etc.). We're going to have to invest in some serious parking if the vehicles that fail can not be driven away. Some customers have their own, very good, preferred garages that do not perform MOTs.

There was talk from Europe that the testing stations were to be separate from the repair side of the trade. These testing stations will have recovery vehicles cued up outside like taxis at an airport.

I feel that the DVSA have backtracked. They initially thought that a vehicle with a major defect can be driven. But, probably on legal advice, they are now no longer saying that. Using the term 'unroadworthy' instead.

Regards.

QUESTION...is http://www.autodata-group.com giving correct information on the changes, & if YES CAN SOMEONE PLEASE SPELL IT OUT, if its incorrect information on the changes shall post it on Matters of Testing.

Taking into account its always been an offence to drive a vehicle with a defect known to the driver/operator,we NEVER have been able to stop em,we still cant.only plod has the power to direct traffic in any legal sense,theyve just written it in bigger print is all.explain dangerous to the presenter,after that its up to him/her.
cause am bit confused CAN A CUSTOMER DRIVE THEIR VEHICLE AWAY FOLLOWING A DANGEROUS DEFECT FAILURE TO HOME OR A PLACE OF REPAIR LEGALY?

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Sorry, regarding the new MoT Manual by DVSA, the DFT should increase the MOT test fee.

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Regarding the new Manual DVSA should increase the MOT test fee!
Nearly 9,500 residents of London die prematurely every year as a result of long-term exposure to air pollution, a 2015 study by researchers at King’s College London showed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entertainment-arts-43820243/art-installation-creates-smelling-pods-of-major-cities-air#
Living Diesel. Im not a fan of this I don't want to be here much longer to be honest (and that's the vehicle presenter?):shock: :D

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The new Manual is up on the DVSA website here:

https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/class3457/

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https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/how-the-new-mot-defect-categories-will-work/

Mil not working as in manual...castrolrob posted on 02 May 2018, essentially its unenforceable I.e.pass and advise for the light not working at all with the added bonus that before much longer you aint gonna be able to advise!The reply concerned comes from DVSA's own standards team....

http://mtaeta.info/thread/3799/opinions-on-new-eml-failure?page=6
Just had clarification via phone call on the MoI and RfR for EML.

The RfR simply says EML indicates a fault. So if no lamp illuminates with only the ignition and then stays off with the engine running it's a pass.

We can only fail if the lamp is on when the engine is running indicating a fault. We may have updated variations to what is classed as an EML but not until after the Go Live date

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Well the new manual is here.
Spent all day reading it.
Interesting lol.
I'm going to charge £20 a throw for my summary cos I bet the majority of testers aren't going to waste a day of their lives to read it.
And yes it would have been better if they had got an adult to proof read it! eg. 4.6.1 and 3.5

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as ive posted elsewhere I requested they get someone with an adult reading level to proof read it,im not hopeful this will occur:shock:

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Reverse lamp(s) if light output is reduced its a major fail, if the lens is defective, adversely affecting the light or if the light don’t work its minor:D

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youre familiar with the concept that a camel was a horse designed by a committee yes?this new manual appears to follow the same concept and is most certainly a result of the same process:D

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add that you gotta pass blue Daytime Running Lights & Stop Lamp(s) Does not face rear Minor, Tyre valve stem damaged…Advisory, And the new manual gives 3 defects for shock absorbers you then log into the Training area and there's 5 defects they don't match up :shock:

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add that you need more than 1 wheel nut missing to fail it now:shock:load ratings not displayed pass to name but a few....

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https://www.motester.co.uk/new-mot-inspection-manual-may-2018-guide-to-changes/

New MOT Inspection Manual from May 20th 2018
Helpful information for MOT Testers
Overview
The new MOT Inspection Manual is totally different from the older version. Here are the key differences:

There is no longer a column for ‘Method of Inspection’, the information is imparted in the run of text throughout each section.
The layout of the Manual is different with some new Sections, and other Sections in the old Manual being dropped.
There are three levels of failures: Minor, Major, and Dangerous.
There are 18 new Testable items, (see below), and over 70 additional inspections of current Testable items. (also see below).
6 Testable items have been removed.
Comparison between old and new Manual Sections
Testers will need to familiarise themselves with these section changes so that when they need to check something out, they won’t waste time looking for items in the wrong place.

Old Manual
Section 1 Lamps Reflectors and Electrical Equipment

Section 2 Steering and Suspension

Section 3 Brakes

Section 4 Road wheels and Tyres

Section 5 Seat Belts and Supplementary Restraint Systems (SRS)

Section 6 Body, Structure and General Items

Section 7 Exhaust, Fuel and Emissions

Section 8 Drivers View of the Road

Section 9 Motor Tricycles and Quadricycles

New Manual
Section 0 Identification of the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency

Section 1 Brakes

Section 2 Steering

Section 3 Visibility

Section 4 Lamps, reflectors and electrical equipment

Section 5 Axles, wheels, tyres and suspension

Section 6 Body, structure and attachments

Section 7 Other equipment

Section 8 Nuisance (includes emissions)

Section 9 Supplementary tests for buses and coaches

Section 10 Seat belt installation checks.

Revised Introduction
The new Introduction has these changes:

Introduction of EU Type Approval categories
Clarification of Dual purpose vehicle definition
American and Canadian pick-up trucks up to 6500kg now in Class 4
Information about Vehicles of Historic Interest added
Reason to refuse to test for presence of a load added
Reasons for Rejection changed to Defects
Minor, Major and Dangerous defect categorisation
Definition of insecure added
Definition of unsafe modification added
Changes to ‘extensively modified vehicles to include modifications for disabled use
New MOT failure definitions
‘Reasons for Refusal’ have been dropped, being now called ‘Defects’. The three levels of Defect are:

minor – deficiencies having no significant effect on the safety of the vehicle or impact on the environment and other minor non-compliances. If only defects of a minor nature are present a test certificate will still be issued
major – deficiencies that may prejudice the safety of the vehicle, have an impact on the environment, put other road users at risk or other more significant non-compliances
dangerous – deficiencies constituting a direct and immediate risk to road safety or having an impact on the environment
Test Certificates will change. Here are three examples:

New Testable Items
Brake fluid
Additional braking device performance
Daytime running lamps
Front fog lamps
Reversing lamps
Bumpers
Prop shafts
All rear drive shafts
Cab security
Cab steps
Floors
Passenger hand grips (quads and heavy trikes only)
Noise suppression material
Undertray security
Emission control equipment
➢ Oxygen sensor

➢ NOx sensor

➢ Exhaust gas recirculation valve

➢ Other emission control equipment

Engine Malfunction indicator lamp
DPF tampering
Fluid leaks – engine, transmission etc
Removed Testable items:
Checks for two different VINs
Checks for reserve pressure of full power hydraulic systems
Class 5 glazing now only applies to vehicles first used from 1 June 1978 and no longer applies to interior doors or panels
Checks for tyre correctly seated on the bead rim removed
Checks of tyre valves removed
Failure for fitment of a space-saver wheel removed
New Inspections of existing Testable items
Identification of Vehicle

Checks for two different VINs removed
New failure for VIN obviously falsified
Brakes
New failure for brake lining or pad wear indicator illuminated
New failure for brake lining or pad incorrectly mounted
New failure for a brake disc or drum missing
New failure for incorrectly installed brake slack adjuster
New failure for additional braking device insecure or inoperative
New failures for other braking system components damaged or corroded e.g. air dryer, antifreeze pump

ABS system cannot be removed on a post 2010 vehicle
New failure for brake fluid contaminated
New failures for air brake reservoir drain device
Checks for reserve pressure of full power hydraulic systems removed
Lamps, Reflectors and Electrical Equipment
New failure for light source and lamp not compatible
Headlamp washers tested on vehicles first used on or after 1 September 2009
Information added about the interaction between position lamps and other lamps
Inspection of end-outline marker lamps now applies to Class 4, 5, and 7
New failures for daytime running lamps
New failures for front fog lamps
New failures for reversing lamps
Steering
New failures for sector shaft condition
New failure for steering gear fixing holes elongated
New failures for electronic power steering wiring damaged or corroded
New failure relating to ‘fly by wire’ steering systems
Axles, Wheels, Tyres and Suspension
Failures previously only applicable to large vehicles now apply to any vehicle
Checks for tyre structure between axles removed
Improved information about assessing tyre damage
Reference to stretched tyres included
Checks for tyre correctly seated on the bead rim removed
Checks of tyre valves removed
Failure for fitment of a space-saver wheel removed
New failure for tyre obviously under-inflated on TPMS equipped vehicles post 1 Jan 2012
New failure for a spring missing
Tyre tables now in Appendix B
Visibility
Driver’s field of vision definition updated
View of exterior mirrors added
New failure for excessively tinted glass
Class 5 glazing now only applies to vehicles first used from 1 June 1978 and no longer applies to interior doors or panels
Chassis frame and Attachments
Vehicle structure now fails if its rigidity is significantly reduced
New checks for strengthening plates and fastening
Exhaust fumes entering cabin failure extended to all vehicles
Information about fuel tanks holed above the fuel line added
New failures for fuel tank and exhaust shields missing
New failure for any part of a gas fuel system defective
New failures for bumper security
New failure for spare wheel carrier condition
New failures for towbar safety devices and coupling indicators
Inspection of drive shafts extended to all transmission shafts, including prop shafts
Inspection now includes drive belts and chains
Inspection of body condition now includes unsafe modifications, component security, including undertrays as well as body pillars on goods vehicles
New failures for cab security
New failures for floor condition
New failures for seat structure condition
New failures for cab steps
New failures for footrests and handgrips where fitted
Nuisance
This new Section includes noise, emissions and fluid leaks

New failures for noise suppression material
New failures for exhaust emission control equipment
New failures for induction leaks
New failure for engine malfunction indicator lamp
New failure for evidence that a diesel particulate filter (DPF) has been tampered with
Metered smoke test date changed to 1 January 1980
New smoke limit of 0.7m-1 introduced for vehicles first used on or after 1 January 2014
Smoke test limits on vehicles post 1 July 2008 will be carried out to either the default standard or the limit on the manufacturers plate where one is displayed
Option to abort the smoke test if levels are significantly in excess of the specified limit values after one acceleration
Fast pass no longer exists
Test is passed if specific limit achieved after one acceleration, otherwise after three accelerations, otherwise after up to a maximum of 6 accelerations
New failure for any visible smoke from a vehicle fitted with a DPF
New failures for fluid leaks – engine coolant and Adblue not included
Other Equipment
Seat belt fitment information moved to Appendix C
Seat belt installation checks moved to Section 10
New failure for seat belt not functioning as intended
Appendix A – Structural Integrity and Corrosion
Change to failure criteria for defects not within a prescribed area
Clarification on acceptable repairs in the case of spot welded panels
Other changes
This includes many items which would currently be a Reason for Refusal, but will only be a Minor Defect after 20th May.

‘Inappropriate repair’ dropped other than for prescribed areas
‘Inappropriate modification’ changed to ‘unsafe modification’
Where only ‘Minor’ deficiencies exist, a test certificate will still be issued. Some of these items currently fail the test and include:
➢ Brake fluid level below minimum mark

➢ Master cylinder cap missing

➢ Brake fluid warning lamp illuminated or inoperative

➢ Power steering fluid below minimum mark

➢ Trailer electrical socket insecure

➢ Direction indicator flashing rate

➢ One of two registration plate lamps missing or inoperative

➢ Several audible warning defects

➢ Many items ‘insecure’ but not likely to become detached

Note: This is provided as a Guide to MOT Testers to identify key differences in the new and old MOT Manuals to avoid mistakes. It is not necessarily a definitive list, and Testers should always refer to the official Manual when conducting an MOT inspection.

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Defect that no longer cause an MOT test fail: master cylinder cap missing.
New item that you will test from 20 May 2018 are: brake fluid contamination.

THIS IS A CONTRADICTION as brake fluid is hygroscopic & therefore will be contaminated if the cap is missing further & without speculating there would be the potential of an imminent risk of failure if this cap was not in place. How then can a tester be expected to 'Minor' it or advise knowing the role brake fluid plays?..or are they expected to just fail 'Major' or 'Dangerous' it under contamination?

To add salt to injury 'brake fluid level below the minimum mark' is a 'Minor' advise?
yup,the reservoir has to be pretty much empty before it becomes a major.maybe they'll fix it before it goes live,maybe they'll leave it as is so we can all look like an incompetent bunch of lackwits,judging by previous performances theres only gonna be one side of the ledger that all the bets are going on:shock:

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time will tell geezer::P:D:D:D

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have given up even bothering with any ministry publications/blogs etc.yes I know it sounds defeatist but I am sick of completely wasting my time.take a look at the other forum with Olivia from dvsa advising presenters they can drive no probs with major defects if you wanna lighten your mood a little:shock:

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Current Matters of Testing Blog...Neil Barlow posted on 24 April 2018
Hi Mike. Which change is confusing? Happy to clarify.

In reply to...21 April 2018
Utterly daft changes and extremely confusing to my mind. Will these changes actually improve road safety and reduce road deaths?

opportunity to snag all these problems!!!

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Lighten up Paul....I'll add some smileys for you.

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wasnt mythering!!! THE 'DRAUGHT' VERSION seems to be changing cause they need our help & therefore could they not move D day give us all a bit more time

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Paul S wrote:
The draft version:)

Predictive text. Stop mythering I've put it right.

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Could they not move D day give us all a bit more time...

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The draft version:)

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The draft version seems to be changing every day just now. We will only know for sure on D day....

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if that bothers you don't look at horn not loud enuff to be heard by another road user minor defect,makes it sorta pointless even having one don't it?electrical wiring for brakes disconnected(and I gotta assume this includes wear sensors)MAJOR DEFCT!

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Damaged (in excess of 10mm, 40mm etc) not adversely affecting driver's view Minor defect... would clear up any confusion

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judging by the new manual you tick the minor box that says damaged but not seriously affecting drivers view,couldnt see any max/min damage limits either

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So is it safe to say...If there is damage in zone in excess of 10mm, in addition to further damage in the remainder of swept area in excess of 40mm, & when this damage is viewed from the drivers seat I dont see the bonnet (or the sky?) can I manually advise...windscreen Damaged, not adversely affecting driver's view?

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Hey Ho, Check for:
• damage in windscreen zone A more than 10mm in diameter
• damage in the remainder of the windscreen's swept area more than 40mm in diameter...
Failure for damage is only justified if the damage significantly affects the driver’s view of the road???

Quote 'Morning
As this is a standards issue I have forwarded it to their team for a response.
As I understood it though the extra line was added due to many failures for damage greater than 10mm for example but when in the drivers seat the effect was minimal and the driver had a perfectly good view. So it was difficult to justify a fail.
If you had damage less than 10mm then that size was deemed so small that it would not affect view enough anyway.
But I will await standards response and send on to you.
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SO THE STANDARD IS?.. Zone A In excess of 10mm but not significantly affecting the driver’s view of the road...Is this then a minor? CAN I advise?

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its no different to how its always been,theyre just writing it in larger print.we cant stop em driving with dangerous on the ticket,never could,never have,never will.

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last time I looked it over I noticed a few bits missing like hydraulic hand brake no mention of it maybe they removed it because of the 40 year rule.
I think its going to be interesting for a few months while we get used to it hopefully the training will help when that's live on the 20th of april.
has any one got any suggestions on telling people they can't drive the car with a dangerous defect. How will testing only stations manage maybe we should have a disclaimer poster

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so the moral of this story is build/buy an old kit car with none of the modern rubbish or exempt from it and run it till retirement cos as far as I can tell the regs are designed to make it non viable to run most modern stuff past about 10/12yrs,still by that point I/c engines will probably have been banned anyway and we will all be leasing driverless hydrogen motors.wanted to get into electronics etc when I left school as all the government projections back then said the oil would have run out by now and I figured electric was the obvious alternative and wanted to get in at the ground level,sorta glad it didn't happen now:shock:

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After some 27 years in roadside enforcement I've learned to remain impartial as far as legislation is concerned Paul.

Fair or not this was passed & rubber stamped in 2014 & we have to live with it.

Legislation will continue to include more & more electronics & so called driver aids in future.

For an interesting read try looking up the EU proposals on Anti Tamper legislation on powertrains.

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Stealth failing an engine management light staying on is not fair on the basis it passes the smoke or emission test what do you think?

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The New Testing Guide & to quote a Biker 'It doesn't specify what brake fluid should consist of so any fluid you put in that operates the brakes is in that case "brake fluid".
Can of worms anyone ?
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/899994/Alfa-Romeo-Giulia-Stelvio-recall-brake-fluid
"Vehicles with contaminated brake fluid may experience decreased braking performance when depressing the brake pedal. This defect may, in certain cases, cause a vehicle crash without prior warning.

“Decreased brake performance may provide some warning prior to a failure. In the case of brake failure, a warning light will appear on the Electronic Vehicle Information Center providing limited warning.”
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Brake fluid warning lamp illuminated or inoperative...Defect that from 20th May will no longer cause an MOT test fail

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Defect that no longer cause an MOT test fail: master cylinder cap missing.
New item that you will test from 20 May 2018 are: brake fluid contamination.

THIS IS A CONTRADICTION as brake fluid is hygroscopic & therefore will be contaminated if the cap is missing further & without speculating there would be the potential of an imminent risk of failure if this cap was not in place. How then can a tester be expected to 'Minor' it or advise knowing the role brake fluid plays?..or are they expected to just fail 'Major' or 'Dangerous' it under contamination?

To add salt to injury 'brake fluid level below the minimum mark' is a 'Minor' advise?

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So, let's wake this forum up.

Who's had a good read through & what are your opinions ?


Using the current testing method a RfR can have the 'This defect is dangerous' tab ticked. Whats the proviso for this in the new to be..?

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More than a third of drivers unsure if they will pass new-look MOT

https://www.motester.co.uk/more-than-a-third-of-drivers-unsure-if-they-will-pass-new-look-mot/

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Diesel Mot Test limit changes

http://www.motester.co.uk/mot-trade-information-and-services/mot-trade/mot-trade-news/diesel-mot-test-limit-changes

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On comp 2 another radio button under training ‘Practice on any class of vehicle without using slots or recording the outcome’ with the New MOT Manual design being available maybe 4 weeks before going live would be a good

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So, let's wake this forum up.

Who's had a good read through & what are your opinions ?



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